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Posted by Mihaela Lica as Featured
For some, it’s the glory; for others it’s the danger. Still for others it’s the way members of the opposite sex find them a little more appealing.
After reading the above sentence, and you can all enjoy more pearls like this on the Help section at MyBlogLog, I couldn’t help but drawing a few possible conclusions:

I wonder how many users have actually read the Help page and how many smiled reading it. My first impression was a “WTF” type of reaction. Hidden among the General Help question, MyBlogLog even answers the eternal question: “What is the meaning of life?”
UPDATE: Friday, 29 - the quote below, was deleted from MBL’s help section. Ian’s explanation on Phil Butler’s blog.
What we’ve come up with can be reduced to two fundamental concepts. One, people are not wearing enough hats. Two, Matter is energy. In the universe, there are many energy fields, which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source, which act upon a person’s soul. However, this soul does not exist automatically, as orthodox Christianity teaches, but has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation. However, this is rarely achieved due to mankind’s unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday trivia.
Do I need to comment on this? I don’t think so, but I suppose some orthodox Christians will. MyBlogLog played safe on this one, but Imagine what would have happened if the authors made another choice and made a referral to one of the Islamic beliefs. Personally I am offended and I am not so thin skinned as to become so easily.
The Help page at MyBlogLog is just one of the many examples that clarify why this once popular network is doomed to fail. MyBlogLog’s page views have dropped considerably in the past 3 months, and so has their Alexa ranking. Some might argue that Alexa is not very reliable – and I have to agree, but reliable or not, as a user, I know that there’s something wrong with MyBlogLog because the quality of the service is now lower than ever before.

I don’t think MyBlogLog is actually aware of these problems – and I doubt that these issues will ever be addressed, because the people who should listen to user concerns and suggestions are primadonas in disguise. Phil Butler in his entry Social Network Identity and Why StumbleUpon Rules has mentioned some of the factors that lead to MyBlogLog’s decline, and I have to repeat his idea here. It simply makes sense. He says:
MBL’s only real value is as a base that people can view their blogs from and a “loose” communication point.
I see no other value for MyBlogLog as in its current form either. The value however, used to be there, back in the days when sending more than 15 massages to community members was a real tool that helped you, a community leader, announce the news to the members or send them a “Merry Xmas” wish. What is the point in joining a community if you cannot be an active member? What is the point in having endless lists of “friends” if only 15 per day can hear from you? Let’s face it, Facebook is far more advanced when it comes to this aspect, and even StumbleUpon shows more value than poor old-fashioned MyBlogLog.
A MyBlogLog representative, Ian, replied to Phil’s commentary by implying that “MyBlogLog is essentially a directory…” He also said:
We’re a different kind of community in that most of the activity actually takes place off the site on the open web.
I really need someone to expand that thought, because I don’t understand how this imagined community works. If Ian considers a widget the main ingredient of a community, “I beg to differ.”
Now MyBlogLog’s pride and most recent buzz generator is the “New with Me” API. I remember when I first got the email announcing this addition to the tools and widgets available for MyBlogLog members.
A part of it sounded like:
In a couple weeks, we’ll be launching a new feature called “New with Me”. This feature will use the URLs on the Services tab of your MyBlogLog profile to aggregate your latest activity on sites such as Twitter, Last.fm, Digg, and YouTube. As a result, your profile page will look different - publicly available updates from the services you have listed will be merged with your existing information. Your latest Flickr photos, Last.fm tracks, and YouTube videos, will all be in one place.
There’s nothing wrong with that if you are not familiar with Yahoo’s most recent struggles. I always considered that Yahoo!, which has the most popular website on the Web and still is a strong brand, deserved to be at least as successful financially as Google. Yahoo’s shares have lost their value partly because of strategic mistakes similar to the email announcing new features for MyBlogLog. Instead of using the opportunity to promote its own services, Yahoo! sent out a message which promotes Google’s YouTube. How many of you are aware of the fact that Yahoo! owns a video sharing site called Jumpcut? Again if we use Alexa to compare the sites we must weep for Yahoo!

It’s not about quality. Yahoo! has some of the best services available – including Yahoo! Mail, Instant Messenger, Flickr, Games, GeoCities etc. Yahoo! fails because of its inability to listen to its users. As I said above, we are dealing with primadonas in disguise. Customer support at Yahoo! is merely a figure of speech, and don’t bother to send feedback because you’ll get a “thanks for reaching out” type of message.
Yahoo!’s inability to listen to customer feedback is probably the main issue that needs to be solved as fast as possible. Every day at least one blog publishes an article that debates some of Yahoo!’s services and features. Every day a user expresses a thought, a possible solution to a problem, an advice that comes from the heart. Someone up there in Yahoo!’s seventh heaven doesn’t look down on the Yahoo! employees hired to monitor and respond to customer feedback. When the response comes it’s almost always in the form of “I beg to differ.”
So here is what Yahoo! needs to address and understand:
I am perfectly aware that MyBlogLog’s employees will come to defend the system. I personally would like them to start with an apology for trashing, even in the form of a joke, my Orthodox beliefs.
54 Responses
Kathy
February 28th, 2008 at 12:58 am
1ANY business that ignores feedback from customers is doomed to fail PERIOD!
Way back in the day, when a single person would write a letter to a major network, the network executives assumed that the single opinion was shared by tens of thousands of viewers who didn’t take the time to sit down and pen a letter.
I’m not sure how the figures would be today with the current communication climate, but what ever size your business, count on the fact that for every complaint you hear, 15 more are being spread out of earshot.
“Defense will not help you do better, it will piss off the user, the readers and lower even more your reach. No widget in the world will help when this happens.”
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 1:09 am
2Welcome to eWritings, Kathy and thank you for the feedback
Well, in this particular situation we agree - I really wonder how the business world would look for Yahoo! if they actually stop and listen.
Back in the day… an easy answer. Today… someone needs to shake their tree.
Sujan Patel
February 28th, 2008 at 1:17 am
3MBL has been dying ever since yahoo bought it. I think it was a fad that bloggers went through. Just my two cents
Andrew Flusche
February 28th, 2008 at 1:18 am
4The MBL situation is a pretty big joke at this point. What value does it give us? Why should we care about it?
I removed the widget from my blog a while ago. And I will probably remove the tracking code before long.
Jonathan
February 28th, 2008 at 1:20 am
5I think the My Blog Log help was trying to be quirky and off beat, the way flickr is. They just didn’t execute it as well.
As for Yahoo’s over all decline there are a lot of shareholders ask the same question! How did you guys blow it so bad…
We’ll see if they can turn the ship around.
Jeff
February 28th, 2008 at 1:20 am
6Customer service is an easy thing for a company to neglect- especially as the company continues to grow. There are many examples of this across the Internet - beyond just the blogosphere. Facebook, for example, has notoriously bad customer service.
This is a great post that nails some important problems right on the head.
Mary Ann
February 28th, 2008 at 1:41 am
7Nice post, Mig. I have absolutely no use for MBL-period. I think I brought it up last year sometime on another blog of yours. I’ve just been biting my fingers to keep myself from writing a not so good report on it especially when I had submitted a legal complaint about one of its member’s and her blog’s unsavory content. Moreover, I’m not the only one who complained to Yahoo and we were both patted on the heads with empty promises, too boot and not one thing was done about it.
I gave MBL 3 weeks to rectify the issue. I’ve not returned nor will I have MBL’s little doo dah on my blog. I feel the same way about BlogCatalog’s spam allowances. Fooey on both of them.
digitalnomad
February 28th, 2008 at 1:57 am
8Like anything online…it has run it’s course. Being owned by Yahoo! may have something to do with it.
Alex Iskold
February 28th, 2008 at 2:11 am
9To me it boils down to the speed of iteration and getting new versions on the market. The product stagnated for a number of months and lost its momentum.
However, it might be that Yahoo! will put more forces behind it and we will see some come back in terms of activity.
As it stands, however, the web site interactions are just not that exciting.
Alex
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 2:20 am
10Thank you everyone for all you comments. I see among you lawyers, CEOs of important web companies (Adaptive Blue is one of my favorites) and A-list bloggers. I know that many of you are at your first visit and I am really honored to see that people of such professional caliber share my views. Once again, thank you.
Yang
February 28th, 2008 at 2:56 am
11It’s always intriguing to read something new that makes the point blowing your mind, and this is a good one.
It’s not always necessary for a company to listen intensely to its customers for what works so as to succeed. Apple is such a company. I’m not saying that they don’t listen to its customers, it’s just they have come up with many things that changed the world, before there’s actually any needs or customers asking for them.
K Stone
February 28th, 2008 at 3:16 am
12I’m not sure if MBL is failing because Yahoo bought them, but certainly it’s usefulness for me is not there anymore. That might be because it seems that MBL might have more value for new bloggers. I think that they will need to find a way to make themselves more relevant to all bloggers in order to stay alive.
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 3:19 am
13Well K, strange things happens since Yahoo! bought this startup. I think the MBL people lost their dedication and their commitment. I wonder if the Help page had that crap on it 2 years ago when I first joined.
Ashley Angell
February 28th, 2008 at 3:40 am
14I think its a problem with a growing startup. As your reach increases, the harder it becomes to fish through comments and learn from them whatever you can. This by no means is a defense for MyBlogLog because clearly they have under-delivered for their partners and customers but being a start-up founder myself, I can appreciate how difficult the task of monitoring and managing customer and partner expectations when your being pulled in 3000 directions at once.
This being said I think this is the ultimate longevity test for a startup - and I think MBL has demonstrated quite clearly that you either adapt or fail.
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 3:46 am
15I agree, Ashley. But since MBL was bought by Yahoo! things got worse. We can no longer talk about a startup. This is a Yahoo! brand. The problem is not only that they don’t listen. If Ian, the product manager of MyBlogLog, had the time to reply on Phil’s blog that’s a clear sign that they do listen. But they don’t care, or someone fails at doing his/her job.
I wonder how many days till the Help page will be changed. What would it take for these people to make the change? A spark in a Russian community of orthodox Christians?
HMTKSteve
February 28th, 2008 at 4:06 am
16I dropped them a few months back. they went into decline right after Yahoo purchased them.
No need to innovate after you get bought out
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 4:09 am
17Careful, Stevo! Ian will come here to taunt you with their new API. Then we should all react like this: ^:)^
Ian Kennedy
February 28th, 2008 at 6:20 am
18Hi Everyone,
I’m really sorry that you feel our tone on the site is too casual and somewhat flippant. The fact is, the team has been hard at work on updating the infrastructure, Recent Reader widget, as well as the New with Me feature that (fingers crossed) we’ll be launching shortly.
The help and documentation are where we let off a bit of steam and have some fun - we all read too many manuals and we try and let our personality come through a bit just to keep it real. Certainly no offense was intended and I apologize if one was taken. The help section you point to is essentially the same since before Yahoo acquired it and it’s overdue for an update. It’s not part of any moral decay since the Yahoo acquisition nor is there any deeper meaning buried within!
Despite what you see on the Alexa charts, we are doing quite well. The paradox is that we actually drive people away from our site. If you look at the new version of our Recent Reader widget you’ll see that we now push information from our site out to the widgets in the flyouts and our API is another example of a service that we are providing to site owners so they can embed the communities they’ve built on MyBlogLog into their own sites. Features like this drive our pageviews down. We’re odd and difficult to measure.
Our metric of success is the adoption of our widget and participation of our users across those widgets. On that score I’m happy to say that we’re doing really well with over 20M impressions each day.
But the ultimate metric of success is a satisfied and engaged customer. We all work hard at what we do but also want to keep it fun, not only for us but for our users. Going forward, we’ll keep the existential commentary to a minimum but I must insist this one point.
There really is a shortage of people wearing hats
Ian
Product Manager, MyBlogLog
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 6:51 am
19Ian, having fun at one’s religious beliefs is not something I am very fund of. But the post, although addresses this issue too, is not about your “innocent” fun. It’s about the overall lack of quality in a network which used to be once my favorite place to hang.
I am waiting for the new API - but in the meanwhile we still have a problem of communication and your comment proves the point.
Phil Butler
February 28th, 2008 at 7:06 am
20I was not going to say a word I swear MIG!
Wow! Now I know it is not the number hats being worn, it is what is within the skulls of the hats being worn! In Ian‘s eloquent and well thought out defense of MBL he pretty much covers the gambit of what MIG is trying to say here.
First, he actually fails to apologize for the politically and morally incorrect text on MBL, but manages to attempt a condescension exercise toward anyone who is reading this (you gotta see this).
Secondly, he spams us (and Mig‘s blog) and insults our intelligence by advertising the new Recent Reader Widget (which obviously has nothing to do with insulting millions of people - he did this on my blog the other day).
Third, he further insults anyone who takes offense by calling what should be improper behavior „fun“. I expect fun takes care of any unprofessional behavior these days. He goes on to say that this is not some form of moral decay, when disparaging comments towards religious groups by businesses is at best a form or either corporate decay or downright idiocy.
Fourth, the paradox here is not that MBL drives traffic away at this point (because the structure has always been so), but that we have people upset and appealing to a website with feedback - and their „minister“ of good will decides to be a smart ass. DOH! Web 2.0 user empowerment folks.
Lastly, Ian decides to make the ever present winky face in an effort to illustrate both his mental age and his disdain for anyone who is not the humpty dumpty manager of a dieing website - and there is no wonder.
In conclusion, I just want to point out that these people are members of the community and they deserve your undivided attention Ian. I must say I am not surprised to see such arrogance and bone headedness from a company that can‘t take the most visited website in the world and make money from it (Yahoo!).
It is abundantly clear that mediocrity and pseudo-intelligence has taken over. For the record, it may be time to go a few floors up and tell the boss there may be trouble in river city (It is from a musical- do not worry Ian if you do not know). Watch this and have fun - more to follow.
Always, but seldom this pissed off
Phil Butler
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 7:46 am
21Well, Phil, now at least you know what is the meaning of life.
Simonne
February 28th, 2008 at 9:48 am
22I didn’t have the pleasure of reading MBL’s Help section, and now I see what I’ve missed
For me, the only reason I keep the widget on my blog is that I can see who visited it recently, and this amuses me. Otherwise, there’s barely any use for MBL.
Lex G
February 28th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
23The fact that Ian from MBL has taken the time to comment so extensively on this post is a sign that notice has been taken.
About the language in the help section: In ‘2.0′ it’s been really confusing what is hip and what’s not. However, one of the rules of communication is to never step into religious
areas. This is ‘uncontrollable & volatile’ … Funny that they did …
I’ve been using the MBL widget on newmediatype as well, but I haven’t really used any other services for the simple reason that it doesn’t bring me traffic … Since we all use SU, and basically I use SU for networking more, I wonder what would happen if SU would come out with an avatar widget and add some extra networking features.
Maybe that’s what they should do if they want to be bought by Yahoo! ?
Lex G
Soli
February 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
24This whole issue is really amusing to me, and you know what, the funny thing is those in-charge of MyBlogLog may see nothing wrong in that. Just my thought, I feel you should have kind of pointed out those thing you don’t approve of to them.
laura
February 28th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
25Wow Mig!
I haven’t been to MyBlogLog in ages (although I think that might be how you and I originally “met” many months ago).
It sounds to me like they’ve gone all goofy. I certainly don’t care for a social network that dictates spiritual beliefs to me.
MyBlogLog no longer delivers traffic to my blog like it used to, either. I’m starting to wonder: what’s the point?
Mihaela Lica
February 28th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
26Well, Laura, the point is quoted at the beginning of the article, and it’s an excerpt from MyBlogLog’s Help section - an answer to “Why do I need MyBlogLog?”
I use MBL because I like to see the little faces of people visiting my blog.
I don’t care about the “log” - Statcounter offers the same “live stats” free of charge. I also visit MBL because sometimes Ilker sends me messages there - but that’s it…
ender
February 29th, 2008 at 4:11 am
27that has got to be some of the worst copy writing i have ever seen. i can understand using the help area as a way to blow off steam … it can be refreshing to have that area be a little lighthearted, casual and fun. but that? it sounds like the cruddy writing i used to get teaching 18 year olds how to write.
and poking fun at religion is simply a slippery Sisyphean slope.
Burgo
February 29th, 2008 at 5:42 am
28Hmmm. Well, I’m obviously in the minority here with regards to the writing tone… but I like it. Honestly, I do.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 5:48 am
29Burgo,that’s probably because you are very young. The writing tone is for teens and people in their 20s. Correct me if I am wrong. I have nothing against that writing tone as a rule, it’s just that it has no place in the Help section of a Yahoo! site. Also, there should be no reference to ANY religion on that part of a site. On your private site, you can say what you want and assume responsibility for your actions.
Anyway, now I am so pissed that I am ready to say that I give MyBlogLog 3 days to take that orthodox Christian comment off before I sue!
When Social Networks Become God
February 29th, 2008 at 5:52 am
30[...] of their site and also to anyone who was slighted by Ian Kennedy’s flippant commentary on Mihaela Lica’s blog, read on to find out [...]
Alina Popescu
February 29th, 2008 at 6:23 am
31Wow Ian, you blew my mind! I had to deal with some weird comments on our company a while ago, but I never thought of acting as you did! I should have! It would have made them talk more of our products. All would have been bad and wouldn’t have helped but hey, it’s publicity, it must be good!
I wonder if there is a PR guy or girl in MBL thinking of hanging themselves or you for this.
Going back to MBL, the widget is all I use these days. i used to also exchange comments there, but that’s not happening right now. The faces of people that stop by and visit are indeed a great thing for me personally, but that is just a widget, it’s not enough for a community. Maybe they should switch to designing cool widgets and stop pretending to want to be a community.
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February 29th, 2008 at 6:28 am
32[...] sorta stayed exactly the same since their peak shortly after the Yahoo purchase. There’s been a lot of talk lately about the lameness of [...]
Todd Sampson
February 29th, 2008 at 7:47 am
33I am one of the co-founders of MyBlogLog. The FAQ entry is actually a quote from the Monty Python movie The Meaning of Life. The founders are big fans of the comedy troupe. We included the quote as a small tribute and to offer a little humor to people that were reading the site. We are sorry Monty Python’s quote has offended you.
As for the success of MyBlogLog since moving to Yahoo!, you can see updated numbers on this post:
http://mybloglogb.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/02/2008-state-of-t.html
Nearly 3 times the traffic and over 5 times the number of sites is not bad for one year. The numbers look down for mybloglog.com on Alexa since much of our site is now served from the Yahoo.com domain.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 7:52 am
34Todd, no offense here but when you quote something put the quote marks. It’s not difficult, is it? Or otherwise I am free to say that you are not only offensive, but also plagiarists.
You are missing out the point of this entry anyway, and your comment shows as much corporate intelligence as Ian’s. I know I am only one drop in the sea, but today I will delete my MBL account and cease using your services. Congratulations.
UPDATE: my next blog entry will focus on how Yahoo! scraps content from famous movies and artistic works, without giving proper credit.
Todd, Monty Python doesn’t offend me. The presence of that quote (although you pass it as your own content on the HELP page) on that place is bothering me. How many people actually know what Monty Python is anyway? Keep your tributes to your personal sites, I’d say, or give credit where credit due.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 8:15 am
35Well, I see that the Monty Python “quote” was removed. One small step for MBL.
At least someone understood a point.
However, this doesn’t change the fact that the people who run MBL fail at being community pillars - as they should be, considering MBL’s orientation. For example, a positive comment from Todd or Ian, or whoever would be:
“We deleted the questionable content from the help page, thank you for bringing the issue to our attention.” - this instead of giving me a lesson of filmography.
As I promised I deleted my account and from now on Blogcatalog is my new favorite community.
Todd Sampson
February 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am
36I am sorry to see you go Mihaela. As you said, the questionable content has been removed from MyBlogLog.
The quote was added the day we launched MyBlogLog to help give it a little bit of Eric and my personality — fun-loving friends that go back to the 5th grade. As a startup, sharing your voice (the voice in this case was essentially a re-mixing of loved content) is important. You put a lot of your heart and soul into a new idea and, since you are spending most of your life working on that idea, you need it to reflect your sense of humor and joy.
We sincerely thought that the quote starting with the meaning of life being that people weren’t wearing enough hats was so over that top that people would know it was a joke. We also made the decision to not quote the source so that the people who “got it” felt like a little more of a kinship with the people working on the site.
I have learned that the joke no longer serves its purpose and that apparently individual/team voice has little place in a product once it becomes part of a larger organization. Not adding the source of the quote earlier was surely a mistake. As was keeping the quote after the site reached a certain stage where it belongs more to the world than those who original built it.
I truly apologize for offending you with the FAQ entry. I assure you that doing so was never our intention.
I would like to welcome you back to the MyBlogLog community. However, I completely understand if you decide not to do so.
All the best,
Todd Sampson
Co-Founder MyBlogLog
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am
37Todd, no one knows better than me what putting the heart and soul into a startup is. This is what I do actually: I help small organizations become successful. I look for partners, JV and so on. I know that having your personality there was important. When MBL was starting out it was great - run by three cool guys, working hard. I know. That quote was not offensive back then, because you had a private site.
Yahoo! is responsible for the content that is those pages now. Yahoo! as an entity. They should know better.
The FAQ entry was not as offensive as the comments you left here - I am an SEO and a PR and frankly to hear that you guys are doing well when the web is full of negative buzz is offending my intelligence.
Todd, if you read some of my previous entries related to Yahoo! you’ll see that I am a sincere fan and that I (hate) google.
So all I tried to do with this entry, as with many before, was to give you some free advice. Startups usually pay me for this kind of analysis. I am sure you understand now how powerful these matters can get.
Just take my suggestion and go see what makes StumbleUpon and BlogCatalog successful. See in my trackbacks below that Chris Cree wrote an interesting comparison between MBL and BC. Don’t get all defensive about numbers. We know that there is something wrong because MBL sends no traffic to our sites. We cannot communicate with other community members because after 15 comments we get the slow down rockstar warning. And so on. MBL used to be great. We all expected innovation, more communication tools, action.
Guys, don’t act like we are a bunch of bored bloggers with nothing better to do. We are professionals in the end. Also, we are (used to be) your customers/users. Get the feedback, see what can be done, keep us happy. The process is simple.
Todd Sampson
February 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am
38I do appreciate the feedback Mihaela. And, again, I am not trying to be offensive. Only share my view on what you have written.
I thought that your comment about Yahoo vs. Google was interesting. I am a fan of both companies personally.
I will leave the “doing well” topic alone. With the buzz that you mention we are obviously doing a poor job of communicating what we are working to achieve and the progress we are making in getting there. As Chris mentions in the trackback post, communication was considerably easier when Eric and Robyn were with the team. We will try to do better.
I am very curious about the daily 15 message limit that you brought up. The limit was implemented to deal with a serious spam problem on the site, as I’m sure you know. Do you have a suggestion about how to deal with spam if we remove the 15 comment limit? We are very much open to changing this if a better solution is available without bringing the spam back. (Note: The limit is 15 un-reciprocated messages. If people respond to your posts, you can send all day. It also does not include the messages that you can send to members of your community — which does not have a cap.)
Thanks,
Todd
Garg the Unzola
February 29th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
39What I’ve come up with:
1. Religious people are too touchy. I do not believe that blanket insults infringe upon one’s personal basic freedoms or dignity.
2. MyBlogLog is in decline because it is not as user-friendly as other networking sites. Why did facebook become so popular when myspace offered you virtually the same interaction? Usability. Facebook is the myspace for dummies, that’s why.
3. I believe Yahoo! is in decline because their messenger service was infiltrated by spambots.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
40Well, Garg, thank you for the feedback, but you got me all wrong: I am not that religious as I sound. Again, you miss the point. MBL is an Yahoo! brand. Religious jokes have no place in such networks. This is playing with fire in Yahoo!#s position. It was an alarm sign I triggered to let Yahoo! know where to start to address their current issues: start by listening to users’ feedback - Besides, that religious joke was not even a MBL original - it was a quote from Monty Python without quotation marks and without no reference. Another no-no in a network of Yahoo!’s caliber.
I agree with your points about the reasons that make MBL decline. As for Yahoo!… the messenger is just a small piece of the pie. This is not their real problem. I think their problem lies in investing (recently) in the wrong ventures.
Phil Butler
February 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
41Holy Toledo!
Why doesn’t everyone read? Some people read, while others get to the part they are seeking and then POOF! magically they become and expert and start expressing. If you read this post, it is a well organized discourse on factors that MBL and even Yahoo need to address.
Religon is just the most inflammatory aspect, and the most potentially offensive aspect. I find the relative inefficiency of these gigantic entities at least as compelling as the goofed up quote from Monty Python. Secondly, the way in which MBL addressed Mihaela and the community at large is indicative of a larger issue.
These things taken in conjunction make for a quite indicative reparte on what is wrong with part of the Web. MIG nor I - nor hardly any of the commenting people want anything other than a little respect and better sites to go to - period.
Granted the religious aspect is central to a degree, but only in that these types of affronts always end up being the most intolerable and controversial. I know that Mihaela never insinuated that this one aspect was central to the argument.
Be mad or glad because of the entirety and don’t just pick your favorite part - but read.
Always,
Phil
Garg the Unzola
February 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
42I did not meant to make you out as a religious person, that’s just a general sentiment I gather from dealing with religious types.
I don’t see why any religion should enjoy priveleged ‘no-go’ status. It’s just a belief. It’s easy for us to poke fun at the flat-earth society, but somehow not to poke fun at religion, no matter how absurd.
However, I do agree that a reference should be referenced.
The spambots are my personal reason for shifting away from all things Yahoo. The rise of all things Google and their way to stay out of spamville in the minds of the public are a big factor. Google is seen as the good guy, because no big corporation has managed to stick its messy fingers in it. Yet.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
43Grag, on personal blogs, topic related forums and groups, discussing about religion and even laughing a bit is not bad a all. I don’t believe in censorship either. But you have to agree that there is a place and a time for everything and we cannot go around offending people, be them atheists or religious. I am sure that if you ever see a comment saying that the atheists lost it on a site of the Yahoo! type you’ll question their sanity. As I said, the quote itself is not offensive - offensive is the presence on that particular page.
I am glad you see that the reference was a problem too.
As for Google… what big corporation can get it when Google is already Internet’s bigger corporation?!
Chris Cree
February 29th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
44This whole conversation has been very interesting to me. I am what most would consider a fairly religious guy. One of my clients is a religious blog network.
Even so I didn’t find the help section passage offensive. I’m used to tech folks being somewhat hostile to my world view. Heck we bring it on ourselves by being stupid way too frequently.
I thought it was probably unwise for an asset owned by a company like Yahoo to say something like that. Sure I disagreed with the sentiment. But I wasn’t offended myself.
For me this whole issue is about usability and value. The service that provides the best feature set and adds the most value to my readers is where I’ll spend my time.
Eric pointed out over on my post that MBL rolled out a new user presentation this morning. We’ll see if it’s enough of an improvement to stem the hemorrhaging of users and traffic that MBL seems to be suffering from.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
45The presence of a religious insinuation on a network of such caliber is an offense, Chris. I see no point in reading silly answers on everlasting questions in the Help section of an International, Global social network. As I said, on private blogs, that is fine, but MBL is no longer private. Anyone can have a bad day and find the help page depressing instead of fun. Religion is a hot spot. Big corporations should better not go there.
There are many other issues with that quote, but it is pointless to debate them any longer: MyBlogLog fixed the issue graciously. My Help page example was to point out the lack of seriousnesses and business intelligence. I over reacted to point out what could happen if the quote remained there. Religion is subjective: what is fine for you could be really hurtful for another.
The usability question still remains. I am confident that soon MBL will see that the new API, despite the coolness, will not do much. The community needs interactivity. We join SU and BlogCatalog because we like to network, meet people, talk…
I met many of the actual members of my community at MyBlogLog. In 2006 this place was one of the few cool places for bloggers to meet and share experience. When Yahoo purchased the network we expected innovation, something out of the ordinary. It never came. Now, as the numbers are really getting down (alexa cannot be 60% wrong) MBL is getting worried - and they think that a new API is the magic wand that will restore their glory. Not going to happen.
I hope I am wrong. Sincerely.
Chris Cree
February 29th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
46I’m with you, Mihaela. I took a look around at the changes at MBL and it singularly failed to wow me.
It just looks to me like a rearranging of the presentation. It still lacks the level interactivity, etc. that Blogcatalog brings to the table.
I would think an API is something that should be released on the way up and not in an attempt to put the brakes on a slide as utilization drops. What’s the incentive for developers to make applications for a service that people are already migrating away from?
6 or 8 months ago sure. But coming now it seems like it might be too little, too late.
Mihaela Lica
February 29th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
47Well, since I am no longer a user, I cannot be the judge of that. I will wait for the reaction of the tech media - sure Techcrunch and Read/Write Web will cover the news. I hope for MBL that the response is what they expect.
Antony Berkman
February 29th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
48if you didn’t mention Monty Python in your help section wouldn’t that be plagiarism?
Mihaela Lica
March 1st, 2008 at 6:59 am
49Lynda Lehmann
March 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
50Great information here, Mihaela. I’ve put your URL on my page!
new zealand map
March 21st, 2008 at 12:04 pm
51I have to admit I never really got mybloglog, and therefore never joined.
A Week In The Life of A Redhead
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
52I just stumbled on to your blog and this post. I have enjoyed reading the MBL banter. I was thinking I might be the only one not happy with the recent changes at MBL … and then I read these posts! It is interesting with MBL that bloggers have stopped adding my site as soon as the recent changes were implemented. I have stopped going to the site and can tell MBL couldn’t care less that this once “Hot Member” has stopped signing in. I am torn about removing their widget yet, as it gives face time to some bloggers I enjoy.
This was an interesting read … thanks.
Catherine, the redheaded blogger
Bilingual Blogger
March 29th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
53Bah. What do you expect from a site that has an “Okdork” feature?
Stefanie
April 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
54Wow, I never noticed that, and now I’m not sure what to make of it. That’s really strange.
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